White Alpha Hypothesis: Against the ‘White Altruism’ Hypothesis

Pathological altruism is an authentic and obvious phenomenon. Women’s suffrage and the steadily rising social and political power of Western women in every social and political pursuit has been the primary–but not necessarily exclusive–driver of this phenomenon. The healthy, natural, and good feminine impulse to nurture and protect which is vital to the health and vitality of families, neighborhoods, churches, and communities is only pathological when it’s out of context and scope, …as it typically is nowadays.

Just as Internet pornography misdirects and warps the male mind away from the behavioral patterns intended by God and nature, cloying media campaigns calling for us to take pity on and offer charity for this or that victim almost always misdirect and warp the feminine (and feminized) mind toward serving some calculated political agenda. Whether it’s Ahmed’s dad crafting a scary looking clock to push his Islamic immigrant agenda, the media zooming in on drowned migrant babies to push their European immivasion agenda, or Leftists framing violent criminals as hapless victims of police brutality who dindu nuffin to serve their #BlackLivesMatter agenda, it’s probably bullshit.

If it involves both pity and a hashtag, you’re being cuckolded. Some political faction, somewhere, is scheming to redirect your altruistic instincts from your family, neighbors, parishioners, and friends to drive their carefully calculated agenda. Jack Donovan’s breakthrough essay, I Don’t Care, explains it all very well. In summary, giving a damn is a finite and precious resource to be jealously guarded and thoughtfully distributed in a generally localized and directly accountable manner.

I object to the general consensus emerging in the New Right that pathological altruism is the primary driver of our dispossession. Pathological altruism is a real problem, but it’s not the problem with White countries. If sincere altruism were a major problem, then it would exist more commonly in sustained forms. Very few people anonymously and consistently donate to those Sally Struthers commercial projects to send $1 per day to an African villager. Third world aid isn’t a popular talking point on the campaign trail, and it’s understood both in theory and in practice that the vast majority of “foreign aid” is encrypted bribery of poverty-stricken nations to serve our geopolitical agenda.

The only altruism which is prominent is the vacuous signaling type. Whites aren’t herding to Big Brother programs to mentor and support Black youth in response to the public outcry over police brutality. They’re tweeting #BlackLivesMatter and doing absolutely nothing else. Even the ones who are more aggressively signaling are doing so in a manner carefully calibrated to increase their social status. At the cost of adopting and caring for a Black orphan, one could make a world of difference for the Black orphan and his entire village back home. But that’s not a common or popular thing to do, because it’s really all about status, not altruism.

To actually adopt a Black child? Sure, it does nothing to improve global poverty, but it sends a glass-shattering signal to everybody in a twenty mile radius that you’re a White Savior.

Altruism is an active state of genuine care, not a posture, position, or tweet. Not only does George Bush not actually care about Black people, none of the rest of us do, either, Kanye. There’s only so much “care” to go around, guy. And don’t pretend you care all that much about White people. Let’s all stop posturing for a moment. You wouldn’t know it from listening to modern people talking or listening to the mainstream media, but the overwhelming majority of Americans, White and Black alike, don’t actually care about much of anybody or anything outside of their own private world of family and friends. And given Modern alienation, even that pool’s pretty much drained.

The root of our dispossession doesn’t lie in our Pathological Altruism. It lies in White Saviorism, which is the neo-colonial compliment to paleo-colonial White Supremacism. Whites, being the most aggressive and masculinized of the races which have had the opportunity to dominate other races, have the strongest compulsion to do so. Sure, the Chinese want a stake in African resources and are muscling their way into the neo-colonial game. But they’re capable of doing so without this awkward and grandiose internal struggle over how to relate with the locals.

The Chinese just do their business, bribe who they need to bribe, keep out of local affairs, and carry on with the business of exploitation. It’s a much more dignified, honorable, and straightforward arrangement that the Global South actually prefers over our incessant mind games and manipulations. Just ask Mugabe.

In the past, this impulse of ours manifested in the straightforward manner of colonial domination, imperialism, slavery, and dominant/submissive caste societies. As economic and geopolitical realities rendered that means of minion-mongering unsustainable, we Whites were driven to encrypt our will to power and domination in the language of altruism and dependence.

What we originally had with the Global South was a simple dominant and submissive relationship. With White Saviorism (White Supremacism 2.0), we have evolved towards a complex but still dominant and submissive relationship. Women who’ve been in abusive relationships are fully aware of how an aggressive and controlling man can and will frame his domination in the language of altruism, caring, and sacrifice. Our neo-colonial relationship with the Global South is no different. We need them to need us, and the last thing the White Savior wants is for minorities to gain authentic autonomy, independence, and sovereignty over their own affairs.

This dynamic is remarkably fragile and readily vulnerable to memetic warfare tactics. This is fortunate, since if the root problem really were sincere altruism, we would have an intractable uphill battle against innate human nature on our hands. Our basic instincts are fine, it’s the context and signaling which could use an update.

White Saviorism

Spreading the mantra that “White Saviorism is White Supremacism 2.0” exposes the status signaling White liberal for White he is, a status-seeking opportunist relying upon minorities as pawns in the internecine battle between White liberals for status. Minorities themselves have actually been complaining about this for decades (centuries, actually), and minorities refusing to be condescended to will most likely be the ones who ultimately manage to deconstruct the White Savior social status game.

White Advocates can help this process along, but we can be especially effective by amplifying the voices of minorities who are pushing back against the White busybodies. Why is “escaping the ghetto” framed as tantamount to religious salvation in Hollywood, rather than raising up the ghetto? White Saviorism. Why is complete integration framed as the final solution to racial problems in the West rather than local and cultural autonomy? White Saviorism. Getting to integrate with Whites is seen by Whites as the ultimate gift one could offer to minorities.

Mock the White Saviors. It’s already making a difference.

Cuckoldry

Accusing White Saviors of cuckolding themselves is the natural counterpoint to the White Savior mentality, and it has gone so viral in American politics within the past few months because it strikes at the visceral root of the problem. It counter-balances the impulse to signal as socially dominant against the impulse to signal against the ultimate status-destroying perception that one is a victim of humiliation and dispossession.

Already, the “#cuckservative” phenomenon has split the mainstream conservative movement into mutually hostile factions. One side, featuring Donald Trump, Ann Coulter, and the more agile paleocons, is more confidently and directly speaking to White American interests than we’ve seen since the George Wallace campaign. The other, most prominently National Review, is doubling down on the altruistic signaling. NRO had literally dozens of articles shrieking about the villainy of White interests and its latest cover is from a Black “conservative” stooge who believes that Black votes should be weighted 5/3 as slavery reparationsm, blackspaining down to his readers about how they can win Black votes by appealing to Blacks’ explicit racial interests.

Organized Jewish Community

Organized Jewry didn’t actually create this White Savior dynamic, and we would most likely have organically arrived at White Saviorism as a response to the decline of the colonial White Supremacist world order on our own. Having said that, they’re the most dogged defenders of this status quo. White gentiles are earnestly striving for social status when they’re embracing the White Savior mentality, whereas the neocon Jewish conservative vanguard is knowingly leveraging it as a means of cuckolding our own group interests in the service of theirs.

One needn’t be the least bit conspiratorial or hateful about it. Merely calmly naming the Jew and his Jewish interests when he engages in the public debate goes a very long way toward limiting the effectiveness of their subversion. The Jewish infiltrators of White American political opinion rely on the implied “us,” and gently pricking that balloon sharply limits how much political subversion of White interests they’re capable of.

Confirming that Marco Rubio stands with Israel because of his billionaire Jewish donors, and that those same donors demand closed borders, racial dominance, and DNA testing for citizenship in their own country breaks the false framing they trot out for their loyalty to Israel. Jewish money and power still dwarfs gentile money and power in American politics. And, with the exception perhaps of the stray maverick billionaire, we can’t expect our voices in American politics to be as loud as Jewish voices just yet. But we can begin the awakening process, deconstruct the White Savior memeplex, and force Organized Jewry to be more circumspect in their subversion with some simple and attractive ideas.

Conclusion

We Whites want non-Whites to want us; we need non-Whites to need us. This dysfunctional relationship can’t go on forever. The final stage in the decline and fall of the colonial world order is for Whites in colonialism’s proverbial backyard to reject it in its entirety, including in its encrypted White Saviorism form. Early colonialism may have created Rhodesia, South Africa, Australia, and White America. But late colonialism is what’s killing us. The colonial capitalist oligarchs rammed the shiv into the Rhodesian peoples, and the same fate awaits us if we don’t learn to join the Chinese, the Eurasians, and the Global South in casting off the yoke of colonialism and striving toward a more equitable and just world order oriented toward tribe and tradition for all rather than finance and exploitation for the few.

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EStriker

I recently saw a film by the rabid Jew gangster Eli Roth called “Green Inferno” that cynically mocks “pathological altruists” for what they really are: irresponsible, ignorant sentimentalists being used as pawns by seedy, moneyed forces and those in search of status and fame.

The Swedes are often used by new rightists as prime examples of pathological altruism, but their behavior certainly doesn’t fit any definition of it. Is the 40 something short-haired Swedish bulldyke “diversity counselor” obscuring Somali rape statistics genuinely altruistic, or is she just a fervent employee of an evil, genocidal system driven by personal bitterness and hate?

The problem with conservatives, whose shadow you see in a lot of alt-right discourse, is that they assume Leftists and Jews are well-intended people who have arrived at a conclusion they truly believe is scientifically sound, and that all they need is someone like Jared Taylor to show them black crime stats in a powerpoint presentation.

But after college, the only people who actively work with Leftist social engineering projects are those being paid to (check out the career Jews in media and publishing world have carved out for college drop out Ta Nehisi Coates), Jews with a murderous agenda, or general malcontents (sexual deviants, obese women, thugs looking for a legally sanctioned outlet for their criminal impulses) .

A real pathological altruist wouldn’t support evicting a poor pensioner from her home to make room for young, ungrateful able bodied negro and Arab men. Most Swedes, and most whites, generally don’t, including real altruists (http://www.dailystormer.com/german-food-charity-stops-serving-rapeugees/) . Referring to the big capitalists, government employees, and Soros NGOs who do support it as “pathological altruists” is as ridiculous as calling NKVD Jew torturers the same. These are vicious tyrants that should one day be brought to justice, not sweetie pies that simply aren’t familiar with what happens when you transplant 1,000 non-whites in a quaint German town of 100.

Hammerheart

‘The Swedes are often used…’ A young heterosexual Swedish woman (ie in Sweden) was riding the subway & she went off with a black immigrant, who raped her, murdered her & bludgeoned her body to the point she was barely recognisable & left her body in a mangled heap at the bottom of a ravine. That surely is PA behaviour, female variety. I concede the bulldyke diversity counselor may be motivated by hate.

EStriker

It’s not pathological altruism, it’s socially engineered ignorance. That girl was taught from birth through every social platform that niggers are perfectly safe and cool, in fact, they are safer and cooler than evil patriarchal swedish men.

The resulting behavior comes from this brainwashing, not some suicide gene. The culprit here are the forces investing in promoting this garbage to the innocent minded and (mostly American/Jewish exported) Swedish media.

It’s pathological murder when you tell someone who doesn’t know better to do something you know will cause them to suffer or die, and censor/suppress all dissent at the same time.

ps mike

Great post. I don’t feel that WN really addresses the police state, which is comprised primarily of whites, who collect a tax payer check to screw us. Might I add they protect Wall St. and enable the system to continue. If we could expel the parasites and third world invasion, what do we do with the traitorous whites. I would ideally like to repudiate the national debt, return to a metallic standard, and have the high level CIA, FBI, DHS, and Wall St. crooks drive taxis, wash dishes, and sweep streets.
I am quite pleased to see the mainstream waking up the perils of international jewry and open borders(I really do feel an awakening is underway), but what about these traitors who have gotten rich letting it all happen. That is not sufficiently addresses in our circles, and to some degree that renders our fight moot. Remember, the USA gained its independence fighting against other whites. Expelling the parasites won’t give me my job back.

ps mike

To answer my own question, I’ve often read that the elites want to see a race war. Are we helping them to that end?

EStriker

Definitely. The Young Republican Midwest types that staff the FBI and CIA aren’t pathological altruists, they’re pathological conformists looking for an early retirement, some thrills, and a big fat pension.

Matt Parrott

Perhaps. And perhaps I need to improve on my lexicon.

What I’m trying to get at here is that;

1. The will to dominate others and the will to help others are at least partially distinct.

2. The two manifest differently even when the will to power is masquerading as the will to help.

3. Resolving the pathological behavioral pattern requires resolving the pathological memeplex of abstractions.

4. Pathological Alpha (will to dominate) suggests a different cure.

Greg Johnson

Are you hung up on the idea that pathological altruism isn’t really altruistic? Because that’s no objection. That’s part of the theory. That’s what makes it pathological. It does not help the objects, and it is really just a form of ego gratification for the putative giver. Cat ladies don’t help cats. They make them miserable and dope themselves on feelings of righteousness and power.

Matt Parrott

I would define cat ladies as an authentic example of pathological altruism, and much of the feminine response to refugee crises and immigration debates as primarily aligned with P-Altruism.

The paucity of Cat Men hints at the origin lying in a nurturing instinct. I don’t think cat ladies are on a power trip. I think they’re being altruistic, but in a pathological manner decoupled from the natural and adaptive outlet for the instinct; nurturing children and the elderly within an organic tribal context.

The cats are essentially (unwittingly, I presume) cuckolding the nurturing impulse embedded in the female mind. It’s pathological altruism, and it’s not a manifestation of the will to power, an ego-gratifying experience, or an encrypted attempt to “dominate” the cats.

This is distinct from P-Alpha, which is only superficially similar to P-Altruism. Take a (straight) adult boy scout leader, for instance. He may be nurturing the young men, and he may explicitly state that as his motive, but an additional natural and healthy motive is the masculine desire for socially submissive minions.

There’s nothing pathological about it in that context, the male will to social dominance manifests most virtuously in the form of mentorship and stewardship of younger males. The effect is the same as altruism in this instance, and the more careless might consider it synonymous. But the nature and motive is very much distinct.

And that distinction matters, as alpha-oriented “altruism” and nurture-oriented “altruism” meet different psychological needs and respond differently to psychological stimuli. For instance, men are more responsive to dogs than they are to cats precisely because the dog cuckolds our alpha instincts by modeling the behavior of a loyal and subservient minion.

This is why I keep circling back to the “cuckold” meme, as it’s demonstrative of the difference. P-Altruism cases are unresponsive to the meme, while P-Alpha cases experience acute dissonance.

Male liberal, female liberal, and Jewish entryist “altruists” all seem similar until the “cuckoldry” meme is introduced. When it’s introduced, the male liberal responds differently precisely because his motives are different. P-Altruism doesn’t predict that, whereas P-Alpha does.

Greg Johnson

I recommend you work your way through the Pathological Altruism anthology edited by Oakley, et al. I think you are pushing a distinction without a difference here. Men respond differently than women to the cuckold slur because only men can be cuckolded. It does not mean that male codependent enablers are psychologically different in other ways from female codependent enablers.

Matt Parrott

I shall do so, though I’m baffled that you wouldn’t recognize the difference between a nurture-oriented altruism and a domination-oriented altruism; either in origin or effect.

Greg Johnson

If it is real altruism, then it helps the recipient at the expense of the giver. If it is pathological altruism, it harms the recipient. What sustains it? The psychological rewards reaped by the pathological altruist. One of those rewards is the feeling of power that caregivers feel. Women and men both feel that. Both women and men get off on feeling dominant.

By the way, the phrase “an additional natural and healthy motive is the masculine desire for socially submissive minions” is pretty ghastly and cringe-inducing. I am not sure there is anything healthy about that desire at all. But then maybe that explains why I am a one-man band rather than the organizer of “minions.”

Matt Parrott

Then we’re not at a theoretical impasse here, but at an impasse over the very basic rudiments of human nature.

I believe male social status competition, largely implicit and encrypted in intelligent populations, is behind only thirst and hunger in its primacy in driving human behavior. I would name the sexual impulse, but it’s inextricably interlinked with it, as becoming a dominant man among men is central to mating success.

Greg Johnson

I think you are naive to think that women lack a will to social dominance. More white knighting?

I think you are mistaken to think that a desire for dominance over other people is per se a psychologically healthy motive.

Matt Parrott

Women have less of a will to social dominance and more of a will to nurture. What’s going on here is a complementary biomechanical deconstruction of male behavior which has largely been absent in the Dark Enlightenment conversation.

I’m not disputing that the vast majority of what Heartiste, Roosh, and others are saying about female behavior is true. I’m agreeing with it, and also discussing how we males are similarly slaves to base motives, with our own hamster wheels rationalizing and justifying our behavior.

EStriker

There are some who seek to impose their will and others who submissively execute it, in a liberal democracy neither of them are fueled by altruism.

An interesting direction in this debate would be to find a hyper-conformity gene in certain whites (especially British Isles). What fuels people, like the Counter-Currents editorial board to take Ted Cruz’s line on Islam and the Washington Post’s view on Russia, most of the time in defiance of your readership? Is it fear? Desire to fit in with the mainstream? The female assumption that if the people in power were wrong they wouldn’t be in power?

Catiline_Conspirator

Striker, I agree with you entirely regarding the subject of altruism. But to characterize Johnson’s positions on Islam and Russia as nothing other than Ted Cruz- or WP-like is false, unfair, crude and unintelligent.

EStriker

Yeah, ok. Everyone on there except O’Meara and Kerry Bolton takes a strictly ham-fisted, unnuanced, borderline neo-conservative line on both Islam and Russia.

Greg may stop just-short of supporting NATO or Zionism, but the sole conclusion a reader gets to when interacting with his purely imaginary writings on an Islamic conspiracy or the “Russian threat” is exactly that.

But hey, what do I know, I’m just a “paranoid anti-semite” who, due to my lack of Ph.ds, can’t grasp the “genius” of mixing cuckservative liberal talking points with white politics. But as a vulgar working class dago with a mere bachelor’s degree, I say instead we consider people who actually have interests in common with us, like the Iranians or Russians, who are lied about by some “alt-right” butt-goys.

Greg Johnson

Being pro-Islam and pro-Russia is just more cucking for false friends and enemies that only vaguely approximate what racial nationalists really want. It is just a variation on cucking for Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul or Rand Paul. We are never going to get anywhere until we actually focus on building up our own movement. And one of the first steps to doing that is rebuffing the people who try to fleece us of our limited time and capital to promote something only tangential to White Nationalism.

EStriker

Who cares about friendship? This is about intersecting political interests. Hence why unlikely bedfellows such as an Islamic Republic (Iran), an atheist racialist pseudo-Stalinist dynasty (North Korea), and however you can classify Putin’s Russia are all cultivating deep ties and working together, with mutual respect for autonomy and independence.

Fact is, you are either ignorant, or willfully lie about Russia. The largest NS group in Russia, the RNU , operate openly and legally, they in fact support Putin conditionally for the same reasons I do. You see just as many celtic cross flags marching from separatists in the Crimea as you did at the Maidan coup, so this is far more than an issue of shallow ideological signaling. In one of the breakaway states, the RNU even had a role in forming the new government. Meanwhile your hero Biletsky from the Azov Battalion was recently a guest of Brussels elites, while Svoboda’s leadership either made a devastating mistake in throwing their support behind ZOG, or took a bribe to disappear quietly.

Some elements of Islam are in cahoots with global Jewry, while others are diametrically fighting it and have many commonalities with us. You would prefer to throw away this opportunity for cooperation and let them make a far more unnatural alliance with the Left.

Lack of discernment on your behalf has more to do with your prejudices against moral conservatism and religions of the world, than they do with objective analysis of what is good for whites. The crap generated by real cucks and craven, cowardly, opportunistic losers like Guillaume Faye don’t even deserve a place at the ideological debate.

0Lew1

The problem is there is not a lot of credible evidence any faction inside Islam or the Russian Federation is open to caring about or helping white people in meaningful ways. Putin, for example, as I mentioned the other day, is a major supporter of the Jacob Zuma regime in South Africa, and Putin praised Nelson Mandela when he was alive. Putin, therefore, has no incentive to ever help South African whites, because to do so would undermine Russia’s business dealings with that black genocidalist Jacob Zuma who Putin has aligned with because needs Zuma for the so-called BRICS bank. Because of economic entanglements like this, it doesn’t seem bloody likely to me there will ever be a day the leading Russians and Muslims “wise up” and begin meaningfully supporting white interests as a means of undermining American power.

EStriker

I guess you don’t remember Ahmadinejad being the only world leader in history to exculpate the Germans of the fake Holocaust? How about the work the Iranians did to bring the issue of historians being imprisoned in Europe for investigating this myth to the world stage?

Hugo Chavez provided free heating oil to white working families in America’s forgotten rural areas. The Russians, whatever their motives, expose the sham that is the US government on RT every day, and often provide a fairly friendly, uncut platform (at times with token resistance, like the feeb Thom Hartmann) for pro-whites like Matt Heimbach and David Duke to speak their mind.

The reason you don’t see more of this is because most WNs in the USA are too stupid or bigoted to reciprocate, so the Iranians and Russians have periods where they look (in vain) for unnatural allies on the Left.

WN leaders who have made an effort to have dialogue with the Islamic civilizations or Russia have largely been successful and accepted with open arms. Here’s David Duke in Syria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21wyi5eGpxA

And read about E. Michael Jones , the nationalist/traditionalist radical, who was a guest of honor and gave numerous lectures in Iran. Granted, Im sure the other side has ulterior motives as well, but who cares? Do you stay up all night thinking about them and their concerns?

When kosher nationalists speaking in our name parrot trashy Jew-concocted lies about Muslims like they are pedophiles (despite most Islamic countries other than the Gulf states having an age of consent higher than the West) or that they practice female circumcision anywhere outside of Central Africa (where Christians practice it just as much), it becomes obvious why the Iranians may recoil a bit, or the Russians dismiss American WN’s as morons and creeps.

TorBaker

This comment is undebunkable, but it has been done before. People at VNN demolished every single point Greg made in his article supporting the laughable Ukranian “nationalists”. Not to mention the shameful article from a few years back when he advocated throwing holocaust revisionists under the bus. Greg does not care about the facts, this inescapable.

EStriker

On Counter-Currents, you and especially some of your writers like “Emile Durand”, demonize Russians and Russia as some hopelessly alien force anti-thetical to the West, yet in the same breath, pretend their cultural, historical, and genetic doubles in the Ukraine are not.

Is this really a fair and scientific assertion, or is it a purely ideological conclusion you wouldn’t have taken if it weren’t for the last phony baloney Ukraine color revolution? Would you be sputtering Zionist counter-jihadist platitudes about Islam 10 years ago when these Jew hawks were advising Bush rather than blogging for pocket money?

And that’s why I call you a neo-con. Your analysis and conclusions aren’t independent, they are inspired by the anti-white system’s flavor of the week.

Islam and Russia aren’t issues fucking pertinent to white nationalism, “white liberal suicide” isn’t what is destroying our countries. These are pointless distractions that self-proclaimed intellectuals, living in their bubbles, think will “move the overton window”. But what you don’t seem to comprehend is that the mainstream narrative can’t be changed unless you have force, street presence, and a totally new uncompromising analysis that cannot be outmaneuvered by the money, press, and state power you don’t have.

AndyNowicki

“…an additional natural and healthy motive is the masculine desire for socially submissive minions.”

…so the Eric Cartman-style would-be leader who covets submission from perceived underlings (i.e. “RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!”) is a “natural and healthy” sort of character to you??

Matt Parrott

The desire for minions is incredibly strong in most males, and the taboo against the masculine will to domination doesn’t stifle it. It only perverts its expression into increasingly elaborate and encrypted forms.

Cartman takes it to the point of parody. But, yes. Humanity will either be ruled by Cartmans or Mr. Mackeys. Cartman is a Jewish parody of the unrestrained White male gentile id.

AndyNowicki

Lust for domination over others and overweening pride are easily exploitable moral weaknesses, to be discouraged, not indulged. They are hardly Aryan, (meaning “noble”) traits in the traditional sense.

The Mr. Mackey/Cartman dichotomy is amusing, but Mr. Mackey doesn’t rule over anyone.. he’s a natural-born flunky.

EStriker

The dichotomy in South Park is primarily between Cartman and Kyle, Mr Mackey doesn’t even fit into it. While Kyle is also a parody of a Jew, Matt Stone obviously posits Cartman as a ‘warning’ of what happens when white heterosexual gentiles assert themselves in a political or social realm (hence all the Nazi stuff).

Much like that other Jew created parody Archie Bunker, Cartman strikes a deep psychological chord in the authoritarian personality Jews have pinpointed (and work to destroy) in white men–he’s easily the most beloved character in the series.

Matt Parrott

Perennially, throughout Jewish screenwriting and prose, and even their ancient texts, the White gentile is depicted as Cartman. From the Pharaoh on down to the latest disposable Disney cartoon, we’re marked by our obnoxious will to social dominance.

What high school film in the past century has lacked the Jewish stereotype of the intimidating jock philistine bully who is the natural enemy of the physically weak but righteous and implicitly Jewish freaks and geeks?

We can have a debate over whether Whites are good or bad for having this general will to power and dominance. But the Global South, Global Jewry, the East Asians, and pretty much everybody except for ourselves is acutely aware of it, and aware of how it drives our behavior, both in the micro and the macro.

At the root of Jewish ressentiment, which is the beating heart of Jewish hostility to our people, is that no matter how much power they obtain, no matter what advantages over us they procure, there’s always that organic and intractable edge of social dominance that our people possess and their priestly, neurotic, and “beta” tribe lacks.

AndyNowicki

So pro-nerd is code for pro-Jew, and anti-jock is a code for anti-white? This strikes me as risible reductionism.

Matt Parrott

We’re speaking of broad general patterns.

But, yes. The pattern is simply too persistent and consistent to not be rooted quite deeply in the psyche of the people producing the pattern. And it’s certainly not just limited to Jewish critique of the West. White gentile feminists, East Asian WWII propagandists, and just about everybody except for the Negro, shares the same basic perception of us.

The Negro sees us differently because they’re the only human population with an even greater socially dominant disposition and will to power than ourselves. They’re the one people even more aggressive than we are.

AndyNowicki

People root for cinematic nerds because people like to root for the underdog (at least in movies). Screenwriters cater to this proclivity in order to help film studios make profits. There is no cause to see in this a Jew plot to inculcate whites with a pernicious slave morality.

EStriker

Jews like to portray themselves as the underdog, even though they’re the real sadistic bullies. Both you and Parrott are right to some degree, but you can’t possibly argue that the nerdy/misfit protagonists in Judd Apatow are anything but kikey kikes.

AndyNowicki

I think that many– perhaps even most– Jews tend to sincerely conceive of themselves as the underdog fighting the establishment. In some ways (such as athletics… anomalies like Sandy Koufax, et al. aside) they are quite correct to do so. In other ways, they are obviously quite mistaken and should know better.

Matt Parrott

I didn’t claim that there’s a Jewish plot to inculcate Whites with a “slave morality.” All I’ve claimed here is that Jews innocently and naturally project the world as they tend to see it when they produce creative works.

I was even careful to repeatedly insist that this pattern of projecting Whites as socially dominant “bullies” isn’t even limited to Jews. Furthermore, my entire point here is that the Jewish stereotype of us is generally *accurate*.

Globally and historically speaking, we are bullies. And the neo-colonial White Savior shtick is exactly what the Global South accuses it of being, yet another attempt by Whites to maintain social dominance in a post-colonial context. You even see episodes where Cartman does precisely this, feigning a do-gooder agenda in order to fulfill his maniacal fantasies.

In foreign cinema, Bollywood, Japanese anime, etc…, this fixation on the hapless underdog as hero is far less common. The prevalence of the phenomenon under review is unique to the West.

AndyNowicki

No, you didn’t say it was limited to Jews, but you did say that the anti-jock, pro-nerd messages in movies and pop culture generally was due to an anti-white and pro-Jew agenda of some sort.. as if there aren’t plenty of nerdy goyim out there who also have reason to enjoy seeing jocks get cinematic comeuppance.

Matt Parrott

Every population contains a spectrum of social dispositions. There’s a good share of socially beta and omega Whites who resent the alphas within their tribe with a vindictiveness matching the traditional Jewish ressentiment.

But *between* populations, the White and Negro are generally more socially dominant and that pattern drives much of interracial attitudes, behaviors, and discourse. There are more Cartmans in the White race than in the Jewish, South Asian, or East Asian races, would you not dispute?

AndyNowicki

Cartman isn’t meant as a parody of white heterosexual gentilism run amok! He’s not promoting any cause but himself. He’s an obnoxious fat kid with a surprising genius for deception diabolical self-promotion… He mocks and hates Jews because in his mind, it’s fun to make Kyle upset and to transgress social norms. And despite his patent sociopathy, he manages to win us over.The audience ends up laughing with Cartman at least as much as it laughs at him.

Matt Parrott

Cartman’s quite obviously in the mold of Archie Bunker. White males naturally love and identify with his maniacal nature, while *learning* at the end of each and every episode that he is wrong.

EStriker

Then explain to me the undeniable and perpetual struggle between Kyle and Cartman? It’s obvious that Stan is the “alpha male” of the group, but it’s Kyle who does all his thinking on social or political matters–so why not between thick goy Stan and Cartman?

It’s interesting that it is often Kenny who follows Cartman’s adventures. This is another Jew psychological observation, that poor or vulnerable whites tend to respond the most to authoritarian personalities like Cartman.
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AndyNowicki

Kyle has his own foibles. It’s often amusing to witness the exasperation that Cartman provokes in him. His parents are both unattractive and annoying… his mom in particular is a fat and shrill nag. And his cousin from the northeast is every anti-Jewish stereotype rolled into one: whiny, cheap, sneaky, etc. There was an episode where the boys were transported to another plane ruled by the “Jewzil,” who were all obnoxious coke-sniffing Hollywood agent-types… there’s plenty of forbidden, un-PC laughs to be had at Kyle’s expense. My sense is that if y’all didn’t know that one of the creators of the show was a Jew, you wouldn’t be so eager to see it as some sort of mega-PC “culture of critique” writ large.

Matt Parrott

You keep insisting on a false dichotomy between nefarious Jews rubbing their hands in the writer’s room concocting ways to subvert White Christian civilization and the writers being positively devoid of any sort of racial or cultural context from which their material is derived.

We obviously can’t know how I would respond to South Park if I hadn’t known it has a Jewish writer. Though, honestly, with the neocon boosterism leading up to the Iraq War, the anti-Trump hysteria, and the archetypal modeling of the characters, I believe I would have been surprised if there hadn’t been Jews involved in the production.

AndyNowicki

It seems to me that when the show flagrantly flouts PC-norms and yes, even mocks Jews, y’all seem eager either to ignore or reconfigure this circumstance because it clashes with your preconceived notion of Jews as nefarious subverters. There are movies and shows with a very real anti-white perspective,and they deserve to be exposed and condemned, but trying to shoehorn this critique where it doesn’t truly fit strikes me as intellectually dishonest.

Matt Parrott

What’s intellectually dishonest is your insisting that I’m casting Parker and Stone as being nefarious when I’ve bent over backwards to confirm that I don’t believe they’re being nefarious or willfully subversive. I think their Jewish identities and dispositions do influence their perspectives, which is hardly anti-semitic boilerplate.

Asserting that Cartman is in a similar mold to Archie Bunker is hardly a stretch.

The Jewish neocon motives behind their quite aggressive support for the Iraq War and opposition to Trump’s candidacy are blatant. Throughout their years and years of episodes, the Jewish neo-conservative disposition has been just about as consistent as Kenny’s untimely demise.

AndyNowicki

When they make fun of a liberal Jew like Barbara Streisand, this doesn’t seem to cut any ice with you or Eric. When they make fun of a neoconservative warmonger and f”riend of Israel” like Donald Rumsfeld, this doesn’t seem to register with y’all as significant. When they mock Al Gore and Jessie Jackson and sleazy Jewish lawyers and agents, y’all shrug or find a reason to dismiss it. But when they make fun of Saddam Hussein or Donald Trump, y’all say, “There ya go… Jews bein’ jewy!” Even with your disclaimer here that you aren’t accusing them of scheming Jewish nefariousness, but just for exhibiting perfectly natural Jewish bias, you seem inclined only to notice whatever it suits you– and your agenda– to notice.

Matt Parrott

Then help me out here, Andy.

Show me where the daylight is between what hip young neoconservative Jonah Goldberg at National Review promotes and what South Park promotes.

My observation that, on balance, South Park’s politics are overwhelmingly neocon, is one which has been repeatedly observed in plenty of mainstream channels, few of which mention or perhaps are even cognizant of the link between neoconservatism and Jewish ethnic interests.

The general popular consensus is that South Park is neocon, and the link between neoconservatism and Jewish interests is perhaps the most uncontroversial and milquetoast proposition one can make about Jews, one which has been made in numerous mainstream and credible sources, including ivy league academic ones.

AndyNowicki

I see no evidence that the makers of South Park propose that everyone should grovel before the obvious righteousness of the Israeli nation.. I don’t see them insisting that all humanity defer to the ultimate moral supremacy of the Jewish people, or wring their hands over their terrible history of persecution at the hands of a cruel, bigoted world…. nor do I see them suggesting that opposition to Middle Eastern wars or sympathy for Palestinians, etc. is just a cover for one’s deep-seated anti-Semitism… nor do I see any other of the aspects which seem to feature in the more obnoxious varieties of what I recognize to be Jewish neoconservatism… And they certainly don’t seem to be hypersensitive about humor which makes Jews look silly, or worse. I don’t think Jonah Goldberg has anything close to this type of sensibility.

Matt Parrott

Well, if we’re going to set the bar of Jewish influence on popular culture *that* high, …then I reckon South Park fails to have a Jewish cultural and political bias.

You seem insistent on framing me as one of the virulent and unreasonable anti-semites that you’re framing your own position relative to. That Cartman is reminiscent of Archie Bunker, that Parker & Stone went all out with Team America: World Police, and that Jews are generally inclined to approach their artistic and cultural work from within their own Jewish perspective, are all sober and sensible points.

I don’t feel that I’m raving, here. But you keep responding to me as if I’m raving and being over-the-top. I’m exhausted with the exchange and feel that I’m not being treated fairly.

AndyNowicki

I never said, nor meant to imply, that you were raving, Matt. I’ve tried to respond to the points you’ve made, not portray you as an unreasonable bigot. I’m sorry you’re exhausted, but honestly mystified as to why you feel you’ve been mistreated.

Matt Parrott

Some time around the third or fourth time that I explicitly stated that I felt there was no deliberate malicious plot behind Jewish habits of depicting Whites as bullies?

AndyNowicki

I granted that distinction when you first made it, and perhaps should have made it clearer that I took you at your word there.

My point was that you STILL seem to tend to interpret the content a particular way, and to explain away that which doesn’t suit your perspective (some examples of which I have attempted to point out here, e.g., the show’s frequent mockery of Jews) due to a presupposition that I think is unfair, i.e., “If a Jew wrote it, it must be anti-white and pro-Jew.” (Not, mind you, because you think that Jew was necessarily writing in a sneaky, subversive sort of way, but because you simply think that’s just the Jew’s natural perspective on things.)

I hope this makes sense… What I’m suggesting is that we should look at the content, and judge it for what is there, regardless of the ethnicity of the screenwriter. When you examine the content, you’ll see much that isn’t in line with hypersensitive Jewish neconservativism….What I was accusing you of wasn’t seeing the Jewish writer as inherently nefarious , but of judging the content based on your knowledge of one of the writers being Jewish, which I suspect is prejudicing your perspective on the content.

I wasn’t trying to establish you as “one of the virulent and unreasonable anti-semites that (I’m) framing your own position relative to,” I can assure you.

Matt Parrott

Part of that may be a filtering bias, as my glowing opinions of Aronofsky and Coen Brothers films, my preference for Daniel Day Lewis as an actor, my affinity for Beck, and my encyclopedic knowledge of every last Seinfeld reference don’t really belong at the site.

I consider South Park especially preachy and political, with just about every episode being a ham-fisted neocon fable.

0Lew1

I personally don’t think you had any need to list a few of the Jewish creatives that you admire, because no honest reader here was ever going to perceive you as a reductionist over these comments.

Mr. Nowicki is the one with the problem on this issue not you. He’s fishing in these remarks about the character for ad hoc rationales to get the bottom line he really cares about — promoting the idea not all Jews are a problem and anyone who believes otherwise is.

EStriker

The problem here is your preconceived notion that Jews aren’t nefarious subverters.

South Park isnt un PC, it just shocked middle America for a brief period because it is a cartoon with foul language, sexual content, and Jewy toilet humor. The messages in South Park aren’t any edgier than mainstream jew-supervised conservative discourse, probably to the left of it on many issues.

We’re obviously on two radically different planes Andy, which makes this difficult to properly convey to you. You’re of the Jared Taylor school of Jews being good ol “self-hating” hu-whites (that promote cultural Marxism in the West and talmudic Nazism in Israel) and the mock-worthy idea that we should make common cause with Israel. I’m of the Hitler school that says Jews don’t worm their way into positions of cultural influence just because they love to entertain us goyim.

Everything Jews create, from interracial porn to South Park, contains anti-white memes, even when it doesn’t look like it to the naked eye. Jews on South Park are mocked for being cheap, nerdy, and ugly, but whites are portrayed as evil, dangerous, and warranting suppression when they interact with the status quo and try to change it.

AndyNowicki

From what I’ve read of you here and elsewhere, I honestly think that a Jew could write something along the lines of MEIN KAMPF, and you would still see it as a nefarious bit of pro-Jew propaganda because a Jew wrote it. You simply can’t comprehend it objectively because of your ideological blinders. (And ironically enough, you seem to have a thing for crude toilet humor yourself.)

EStriker

Andy, I know this may be off-topic, but I want to ask you a question.

Why is it “alt-right” types like yourself are constantly reminding us of the (alleged) minority of “good Jews” and the non-existent demographic problems of Israel (Israeli Jews have highest birthrate in “western” world, and one of the highest in Middle East), yet take off the velvet gloves when you put all 1.5 billion Muslims into the same box?

How do you expect me to believe you’re an honest intellectual who waits and sees before coming to an “anti-semitic” conclusion, when you are so inconsistent in your behavior?

As I’m sure you’ve witnessed with your last article trying to put lipstick on a pig (rehabilitating Jews), you’re falling prey to the MSM’s problem where the readership (as seen in the comments section) has a very different opinion than the editorial board (you and Colin Liddell).

AndyNowicki

“yet take off the velvet gloves when you put all 1.5 billion Muslims into the same box?”

I don’t think I’ve expressed any punitive judgment of Islam in anything I’ve written, but if you have something in mind which demonstrates otherwise, please bring it to my attention.

AndyNowicki

THAT article is an example of me “putting all 1.5 billion Muslims into the same box”???

EStriker

“Right-wing Westerners have tended to
view the brouhaha over the Danish Mohammed cartoons as evidence of
Islam’s lack of tolerance and eagerness to impose its beliefs on
everyone else, through intimidation or outright violence. The Righties
have a point”

this may or may not be true. But the point is, you treat Jews far more delicately. You assume they don’t have ulterior motives against all common sense, when you know you wouldn’t do that for any other group (from blacks to Muslims).

0Lew1

That was a very poorly reasoned article by Andy Nowicki on the Jews.

I definitely get your point about these voices on the right who put more emphasis on Islam than the Jews. They are very suspect. Every single one of them needs to be placed under scrutiny and constantly called out for spreading half-truths and outright lies.

You and I might not see eye-to-eye on Putin and Islam, but I agree with you in the main. My hope has always been that the twin beasts of Islam and Judaism destroy each other. That said, if it doesn’t happen, rest assured that even though I see plenty of evidence Muslims are a menace to white civilization, I don’t believe in the velvet glove for Jews but rather the mailed fist for both.

EStriker

None of this takes away from the ultimate conclusion of the show: Kyle is always the good guy, Cartman is always the bad guy. Is there even one episode where Kyle is the bad guy?

If one of the creators wasn’t a Jew, none of these themes would even be in South Park. You seem to make the conservative mistake of pigeonholing all criticism of Jewish created media as “paranoia” or prejudice.

For some in the alt-right, someone being Jewish and cranking out politically volatile material promoting neocon wars, anti-racism, caricaturing criticism of Jews, and many other things has no connection. Of course, replace Jew with some conservative boogeyman like Arab Muslims or a Russian, and this rule no longer applies.

AndyNowicki

Cartman is a nasty sociopath, yes, but this isn’t related to his being a white, heterosexual gentile.. nearly every other character is a white gentile, and none of them are portrayed as sociopathic. And Cartman’s sociopathy is related to his self-centeredness and delight in taking advantage of others, not because he has any real Nazi-like perspective… even his Jew-hatred is entirely centered around his desire to tease and taunt Kyle, not because he has any underlying ideology besides self-advancement… Kyle usually means well, but he is often terribly mistaken and prone to overreaction. I’d say that Stan the gentile is much more often the voice of reason (the “Aryan ideal” if you will) than Kyle is.

Matt Parrott

The visceral impulses, hunger, lust, and the will to power are neither moral nor immoral. They are amoral.

The traditionalist attempts to moderate and channel these urges, while the fundamentalist seeks some sort of Utopian final solution to the intractable human condition. A traditionalist attempts to discourage youths from sexual promiscuity, but he also encourages them to marry early so it can be constructively channeled. Pridefulness should be warned against, while the will to power finds healthy and constructive expression in military hierarchies, stewardship of youth, patriarchal stewardship of the family, and excellence in his chosen craft.

AndyNowicki

Lust isn’t immoral? I doubt your local Orthodox priest would agree with you that one of the acknowledged seven deadly sins is in actuality merely of morally neutral character, as you seem to be asserting here.

And isn’t there a distinction to be drawn between dutifully accepting a role of authority to serve the public good, and lusting after power because you relish the opportunity to lord your authority over legions of “minions”?

Matt Parrott

I suspect my priest would agree with me that lust when channeled into its proper monogamous marital context is a glue which God hopes and expects us to use to join young couples together.

The Catholic Scholastic tradition, brought to the point of absurd parody by the Puritans and Fundamentalists, strives toward and hopes for perfection of human nature in a way that the Orthodox generally do not.

And, yes, it’s indeed more noble to be a steward of people for entirely abstract reasons, just as it would be noble to maintain one’s vows to an ugly wife. But God helps us do the right thing by making most wives sexually appealing and making stewardship viscerally rewarding.

Christianity was never intended as a Utopian revolt against human nature, and the fundamentally morbid attitude of Christian Tradition toward the realities of human nature has much more in common with HBD/NRx “reductionism” than it has with contemporary “Christian” self-help optimism.

AndyNowicki

“You must therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.” –Jesus

Matt Parrott

Christ relied heavily on a well-documented rhetorical habit of hyperbole which Holy Tradition understands in its complete historical, theological, and human context.

We are certainly called to strive for perfection, but other passages, both from Christ’s ministry and from elsewhere in the fullness of the Christian faith clarify that achieving perfection on Earth is impossible, that we’re fallen and sinful, enslaved to our mortal bodies.

AndyNowicki

“Christ relied heavily on a well-documented rhetorical habit of hyperbole” … so because it was hyperbole, what he therefore *really* meant was, “Hey, forget that humility thing I enjoin and have fun bossing people around your minions,lording your authority over others, and spazzing out on a heavy-duty power trip, cuz you’ve got biological impulses, after all!” Neat how you can make a verse mean the exact opposite of what it seems to mean!

Matt Parrott

When a man with a strong will to power strives for humility, he often channels that humility into callings commensurate with his disposition such as leadership of noble endeavors, stewardship of youth, and such.

There’s nothing integrally degenerate about the alpha disposition, and it can manifest very humbly and honorably in the aforementioned manner.

To put it bluntly, if you take the call to humility to mean that men must never feel called to command or lead other men, then you don’t understand humility and you’re misinterpreting Christ’s words. Had he been flatly opposed to leadership, as you’re implying, I assume that would have been expounded upon in more detail before, during, and after the relevant verse.

AndyNowicki

I’m not implying that he’s opposed to leadership, just that he’s opposed to a leader getting off on lording his authority over his “minions.” That was the part of your message to which I objected.

AndyNowicki

not to be pedantic or semantic, but I don’t think that licit sexual desire is usually referred to as “lust,” just as wanting everyone to truckle to you and be your groveling underling doesn’t translate to a licit acceptance of authority for noble and responsible reasons.

Matt Parrott

We have the well-documented biological impulses which have clear and direct analogues in closely related mammals (sexual desire, male territorial dominance).

Within the Christian moral paradigm, there are sinful and virtuous ways to cope with those biological impulses. Neither sexual desire nor will to power are necessarily immoral, sinful, or destructive forces.

They just *are*.

Take that and construct whatever etymological and rhetorical framework works for you. If you define lust as something distinct from sexual desire for one’s wife, then very well then.

Fr. John+

“cat ladies as an authentic example of pathological altruism,”

I have not laughed that hard in ages! So very, very, very, very true.

EStriker

Pathological altruism is just a new way to exculpate Jews and the violent tyranny they employ to silence the majority of whites. That’s why Jared Taylor is all over it like hu-white on rice.

A quick search on youtube on political violence in Sweden will show people just how intense and violent it has been getting there in the last few years. Pro-whites in Sweden get stabbed, bombed, and imprisoned by Jews and their tentacles–they’re not going quietly, their oppressors are just better organized than those trying to persecute Golden Dawn in Greece.

The only pathological altruists in Northern Europe are groups of men like the Swedish Resistance Movement willing to risk their lives for their folk.

Some people in the white movement–mostly in the Anglo-sphere–have a hard time believing we’re the underdogs and that it isn’t entirely our fault. Well, that’s what we are. That doesn’t mean we have to throw in the towel, that just means our position is a more sophisticated, first world version of what the Palestinians are going through and what we need to respond with may go against the good breeding of certain WASPs.

Greg Johnson

This is Tanstaaf’s paranoid trolling point. Pathological altruism can’t just be dismissed because Jared Taylor wrote a review of the book.

EStriker

I’m not sure what you’re referring to, but JT has done more than review it. He has reframed all his arguments around it, when it is nothing but a theory, an evolutionary biological theory at that (even less authoritative).

I’ve watched a few Macdonald presentations on pathological altruism, and he is simply wrong. Outside of the British Isles and maybe the Netherlands, Germanic people are highly collectivist, not naturally individualist.

Go approach an establishment Swedish leftist with the story of a girl getting gang raped in unspeakable ways by Somalians and they will simply look at you with a cold, blank stare. The problem in Northern Europe isn’t too much empathy, it’s the blatant lack of it–usually for pay and status, and seldom for ideology. The same motives that fueled European colonialism.

You need to stop calling people with different opinions “trolls” and “paranoid”. Grow up. You’ve got some nerve, if there’s a paranoid trolls around, it’s you crying wolf about the Islamic conspiracy like some PNAC kike.

Lawrence

I have a cat lady in my building. She has caused a lot of rat problems from feeding the cats in our yard. Of course she also goes down and hands out food when the gypsies go through our trash. Shes a perfect representative of this compulsive behavior.

EStriker

Conrad’s Heart of Darkness is a pretty good and well-worn discussion on Western altruism vs plain old hypocrisy.

Most of the evil in the world isn’t done by fanatics, it’s done by people simply following orders for a paycheck. The (relatively marginal in practice) phenomenon of whites working for destructive Jew policies is a recent post-war phenomenon that has to do with the implemention of hyper-individualist Americanism onto Europe as well.

The Swedes, who are smarter and far more adaptable than Americans, simply have been more effective on the ground in implementing the Jewish plan. I think you’re right that pathological altruism theory is arrested by Nordicist assumptions, IE, the idea that Northern Europeans can’t be corrupt or deceitful and at worst are misguided mars discourse and translates into ineffective analysis of West’s situation. Average Northern European is far less likely to cheat on taxes or on his wife than Southern equivalent, but also more likely to approach more pertinent ethical dilemmas impersonally if given the order from above (though this too is to different extents among the diverse countries in Northern Europe).

For example, Sweden and Germany are both instrumental in the US governments deadly drone program. They were also important, logistically, in killing hundreds of thousands of Afghans for no real reason. They just lie to their people about it, and cynically present themselves as pinnacles of pacifism anyway.

Shotgun

Is this a plea for white saviorism – only with a different stratagem?

If we white boys could grasp hands with our darker-shaded brethren (like we’re in a coke-cola commercial) and lead them toward the path of decentralization and sovereignty, then they’ll praise us, respect us, and open up important trade routes with us…

…not likely.

Ok, ok, maybe they wont appreciate it at first, but after awhile, wont harmony and utopia be achieved?

…even less likely.

It’s an archaic view, but: Ham’s children are meant to be in chains (metaphorical of course, although I’m not averse to literal ones; nor is the modern penal system, apparently).

Why not #whitesupremacy for a mantra?

Matt Parrott

Setting aside the moral and theological argument over slavery and White Supremacy, it’s important to note that it’s economically obsolete. It stopped happening because it stopped being the most profitable and sustainable way to organize society.

Matt Parrott

What?

Did you think that an earnest burning of the collective bosom of genuine moral remorse for the horrors of chattel slavery is what brought an end to it all, either in America or elsewhere?

Presuming that chattel slavery even was as evil as the most fevered war propaganda would have one believe, is compassion ever a central driver of historical processes? Does any contemporary American actually care about the servile conditions of the foreign laborers who currently support their standard of living?

I believe in compassion. I believe there’s goodness in man. But absolutely each and every time it’s introduced as the reason for political change, I presume bullshit until proven otherwise.

Stubbs

If sincere altruism were a major problem, then it would exist more commonly in sustained forms. Very few people anonymously and consistently donate to those Sally Struthers commercial projects to send $1 per day to an African villager.

This is a good point, I realized the same thing myself. They don’t actually act like altruists.

Hammerheart

I am at a loss for words. Your White Saviourism explanation is like using 1+1+1+1 versus 2 squared to get to 4 (technical deconstruction aside). I don’t understand what you hope to gain by attempting to knock the slats out from under the attempt at a science-based explanation, viz the most important work that is currently being done in this area by courageous people like Prof Kevin MacDonald. Hyperindividualist Pathological Altruism Amongst Whites is a description, a symptom, not a discursive explanation of the causational mechanism itself. KMD & Jared Taylor explicitly state this (eg Red Ice Radio interview, youtube vids etc)–‘Where the guilt itself comes from, I don’t know’ (JT video). (I am not in agreement with KMD that it is all because we evolved from Northern latitude hunter-gatherers because then other Evolutionary Environment of Adaptation races eg Inuits should all be just like us, & they’re not.)

I also strongly disagree with Matt’s characterisation of most whites don’t engage in real PA, only ‘signalling’. That’s not my personal experience of life & whites starting in my own family.

The millionaire-set DoD engineer who is a pureblood American-Swede I know in his 60s very recently told me this story. He is an Ayn Rand Libertarian etc (making this story all the more dumbfounding) & he goes on at length about quantum consciousness & compassion, love over fear, etc.
His son’s close friend in LA dealt with a situation where he was at something like a garage one day when a gang rolled up. With love & compassion this young man asked if the gangbangers needed help, etc. A gangbanger executed him with a golf club.
My friend said he wished he could have that degree of altruistic compassion (i believe he used those words).

A huge flaw in what almost every WN is saying is that, I believe, many whites will literally choose death rather than violate their belief systems (as discussed by KMD, perhaps not taken to the degree I am here). We are not going to have brown hordes swarming into Iowa etc like the Greeks, Hungarians & Germans (et al) have right now. My point is that whites, faced with life-or-death-consequences situations–eg the brown mob is coming up the street, killing & pillaging–may offer themselves as sacrificial lambs who would rather die with a happy conscience. I have observed behaviour in whites for years that leads me to this conclusion. I honestly believe many whites confronted with situations in extremis will literally choose not to defend themselves, etc. I have seen maybe a few sentences by 1 or 2 WN commentators, ever, directly addressing this issue (admittedly too horrific for words). We can’t afford to not talk about these ugly truths any longer. The time for a theoretical discussion of the problem of the elephant in the living room, the ugly ‘v’ word, has arrived. (No, I don’t mean getting into barfights to prove how manly you are.)
I have personally witnessed, on numerous occasions, whites engaging in real-world pathological altruism behaviour, including such that it merits being termed potentially or actually life-endangering. We are seeing this with the white women in Europe getting raped & killed by behaviour that my mother would never have entertained as a possibility for 1 second. I personally know blue-eyed whites of pure New England WASP descent who give their last dollar to panhandlers (this particular individual has a science degree from Cornell, a MA, & declared bankruptcy twice by the time he was 40). I find it hard to believe you have not observed substantial amounts of this behaviour in fellow whites, firsthand.

Jack Donovan’s Code of Manliness is to be a shaved-headed muscle-bound thug as compensation for his being homosexual. I’m not sure why he’s being quoted as a great source of wisdom here on an Orthodox-themed website.

PA presents perhaps the most serious charge against Christianity, & how the latter is subverted by the former in general, & how this is contributing to the dispossession of whites virtually everywhere because of a psychopathology/weakness whites demonstrably, objectively possess that other ethnys do not. I thought TradYouthNet is all about taking this fact, this problem, by the horns with both hands (eg your 5-star article on the American sin of anti-phyletism).
I will re-read this again when I have more time to think.
It IS a very good article, I just never dreamed Matt would attack the conceptualisation of the self-evident problem which is also the only hope we have of tackling this problem with science. Last, I think we stand a far greater chance of popularising the idea that whites are severely mentally ill as opposed to a religious crusade that is going to lose the non-hardline conservative Xpn types (eg high-IQ engineer, professional types who are non-believing etc) straight off the bat. Good Lord, we don’t need dissension over such a fundamental point.
I don’t know as I would go as far as Greg Johnson’s comment but he makes a valid point to consider.

EricStriker’s criticism does not apply to me–I most certainly do not think Jews & many Leftists are ‘genuine altruists who are well intentioned [sic]’ !!!

Hammerheart

re: ES, I certainly concede there are plenty of bonehead conservatives who reason as he describes. Here in Colorado I am surrounded by Xpn Zionist types–it’s basically the default Xpn type…

EStriker

Most hardline Leftists aren’t normal every day people. They’re individuals with social problems whose perceived personal (emphasis on personal) grievances are given a platform by Jews seeking to sow discord and division.

Go on any given Leftist’s facebook, and you’ll see more, me stuff about fat acceptance, sexual depravity, and “autism awareness”/”ableism” than about helping the poor or disenfranchised.

In terms of hard numbers, there are about as many true, dedicated non-Jewish leftists as there are true, dedicated Nazis/Alt-Right/Fascists/Trads. Their advantage isn’t in the popularity of their ideas, it’s in the billions allocated to them, the police and judicial power used to crush dissidents, and the institutional support they have from our government, media, and business elites.

ps mike

“Their advantage isn’t in the popularity of their ideas, it’s in the billions allocated to them, the police and judicial power used to crush dissidents, and the institutional support they have from our government, media, and business elites.”

That’s exactly right. It really comes down to the power of money to gain control.

EStriker

If pathological altruism was real, there wouldn’t be German politicians getting stabbed in the neck right now. Nor would there be a need to re-establish the Stasi with a filthy Jew at the helm (Anetta Kahane) looking to take the children of those criticizing the “refugees” on social media.

Jared Taylor’s complete neglect of this factor is downright criminal in my view. And it’s dishonest, because it’s impossible for him not to know the truth.

Matt Parrott

Hammerheart,

Your White Saviourism explanation is like using 1+1+1+1 versus 2 squared to get to 4 (technical deconstruction aside).

Mechanism matters, and I do not believe that the White Altruism model actually adds up to 4. And my model is White Alpha, not White Saviorism. What’s being challenged here isn’t that suicidally bad ideas and behavior (White Saviorism) is being arrived at. What’s being challenged is the mechanism.

Biologically speaking, altruism is an instinctive compulsion to invest resources in one’s in-group, a la Selfish Gene, et al. This mechanism instinctively compels us mammals to invest resources in our offspring, mates, and other relatives. This is distinct from the instinctive (and generally masculine) compulsion to dominate others.

I don’t understand what you hope to gain by attempting to knock the slats out from under the attempt at a science-based explanation, viz the most important work that is currently being done in this area by courageous people like Prof Kevin MacDonald.

I agree with you that Prof. MacDonald is courageous. I agree with you that he’s gifted. His general contributions in developing the theoretical framework of Group Evolutionary Strategy and his specific contributions in applying that model to the Jewish Question are of tremendous value.

But I believe the gifted scientist is incorrect about both the hyper-individualism and the pathological altruism. I believe it’s plausible but ultimately incorrect. There’s no disrespect or dishonor in challenging a scientist’s theory, especially when both share a common affinity for the cause of saving our White race from oblivion.

Hyperindividualist Pathological Altruism Amongst Whites is a description, a symptom, not a discursive explanation of the causational mechanism itself. KMD & Jared Taylor explicitly state this (eg Red Ice Radio interview, youtube vids etc)–‘Where the guilt itself comes from, I don’t know’ (JT video). (I am not in agreement with KMD that it is all because we evolved from Northern latitude hunter-gatherers because then other Evolutionary Environment of Adaptation races eg Inuits should all be just like us, & they’re not.)

We’re in an embarrassing situation as a movement where the majority of our strategic thinkers are still operating under the Nordicist Hypothesis of White origins when the anthropological research has confirmed quite definitively–for quite some time now–that Whiteness evolved more rapidly and recently than previously presumed, and in temperate and fertile agricultural and pastoral habitats rather than in the unforgiving tundra.

I’m responding to KMac and others who’ve suggested causality and mechanism. As long as Pathological Altruism is understood as a primarily feminine phenomenon, and isn’t offered as a root cause of our plight, then I don’t object to its use.

I also strongly disagree with Matt’s characterisation of most whites don’t engage in real PA, only ‘signalling’. That’s not my personal experience of life & whites starting in my own family.

Were the family members in question female? And if they’re male, how did you discern that genuine altruism was at the root of it? After all, my proposition is that the status signaling encrypts itself as altruism.

His son’s close friend in LA dealt with a situation where he was at something like a garage one day when a gang rolled up. With love & compassion this young man asked if the gangbangers needed help, etc. A gangbanger executed him with a golf club.
My friend said he wished he could have that degree of altruistic compassion (i believe he used those words).

I have indeed failed to see much of that genuine pathological altruism. What I’m seeing is Whites signaling altruism while taking the selfish turn every chance they think they can get away with it. Statistically speaking, Whites engage in Flight from inner city squalor. Whites enroll their children in private schools rather than doing the altruistic thing. Whites are Bowling Alone and alienating themselves rather than doing the pathologically altruistic thing.

A huge flaw in what almost every WN is saying is that, I believe, many whites will literally choose death rather than violate their belief systems (as discussed by KMD, perhaps not taken to the degree I am here).

Whites are certainly the most abstraction-oriented race, and the extreme manifestation of the abstraction-oriented man is his refusal to place his very survival before his abstraction. Our enhanced abstraction-orientation is what differentiates our own social alpha compulsion from that of the Congoid.

Black Africans are notorious for their “Big Mon”/HNIC compulsion to dominate others in their orbit. Basically, my position is that Whites are doing this same thing, only our abstraction-orientation and Jewish memetic cuckoldry of our abstractions has rendered it pathological.

I have personally witnessed, on numerous occasions, whites engaging in real-world pathological altruism behaviour, including such that it merits being termed potentially or actually life-endangering. We are seeing this with the white women in Europe getting raped & killed by behaviour that my mother would never have entertained as a possibility for 1 second. I personally know blue-eyed whites of pure New England WASP descent who give their last dollar to panhandlers (this particular individual has a science degree from Cornell, a MA, & declared bankruptcy twice by the time he was 40). I find it hard to believe you have not observed substantial amounts of this behaviour in fellow whites, firsthand.

Honestly, I know of only a handful of anecdotal cases second- and third-hand. If Whites start enrolling their children in the public schools at a statistically meaningful rate, I’ll be compelled to reconsider my model.

Jack Donovan’s Code of Manliness is to be a shaved-headed muscle-bound thug as compensation for his being homosexual. I’m not sure why he’s being quoted as a great source of wisdom here on an Orthodox-themed website.

Whether Jack’s compensating or not is beside the point. He’s an excellent writer and I didn’t endorse his work wholesale; I endorsed his specific work on the absurdity of pretending that caring is an infinite resource. I don’t know of a better or more persuasive article making that case.

PA presents perhaps the most serious charge against Christianity, & how the latter is subverted by the former in general, & how this is contributing to the dispossession of whites virtually everywhere because of a psychopathology/weakness whites demonstrably, objectively possess that other ethnys do not. I thought TradYouthNet is all about taking this fact, this problem, by the horns with both hands (eg your 5-star article on the American sin of anti-phyletism).

Pathological Alpha is a psychopathological problem which Whites demonstrably and pretty much exclusively possess. Its relationship with Christianity is simply one where our recent interpretation of Christian dogma has been perverted to accommodate the secular compulsion to dominate brown people. During antebellum slavery, we reinterpreted Christianity to confirm that it endorsed our domination of brown people. In this neo-colonial age, we’ve predictably reinterpreted Christianity to confirm that it endorses our White Saviorist means of dominating brown people.

Devoid of a rigid and fault-tolerant hierarchy and a firmly established protocol of Holy Tradition, Christianity contains enough words which can be reinterpreted arbitrarily to twist whichever way the wind blows. Orthodoxy is the only Christian sect which has any hope of not being swept away with the tide of Modernity and contemporary fancy.

It IS a very good article, I just never dreamed Matt would attack the conceptualisation of the self-evident problem which is also the only hope we have of tackling this problem with science.

I’m not attacking Pathological Altruism. I’m challenging the proposition that it’s scientifically causative, and offering an alternative model of causation which I believe is more descriptive, more predictive, more falsifiable, and more promising in its potential to provide a scientific solution to our problem.

For instance, P-Altruism suggests that the cuckoldry meme would backfire. According to P-Altruism, confirming that we’re being cuckolded would be met with approval, with folks struggling to demonstrate that they’re being cuckolded most acutely. We’ve seen some of that, but it’s been almost exclusively among women, subversive Jews, and those most directly working for subversive Jews.

The shockwaves that the cuckoldry meme have sent and continue to send through the conservative community are more consistent with P-Alpha. People wish to be perceived as socially dominant, and the cuckoldry meme flips the White Savior meme on its head in this regard.

Last, I think we stand a far greater chance of popularising the idea that whites are severely mentally ill as opposed to a religious crusade that is going to lose the non-hardline conservative Xpn types (eg high-IQ engineer, professional types who are non-believing etc) straight off the bat.

These are two separate debates.

Offering P-Alpha as an alternative to P-Altruism is entirely within the secular scientific discourse. It’s exactly what you’re suggesting it’s not; whites are mentally ill.

I do believe that nothing short of an aggressive spiritual awakening rooted in a Radical Traditionalist revival of religiosity (specifically Orthodoxy) will be necessary to fully and finally cast off the yoke of Jewish subversion and global capitalist hegemony.

It appears you’re slipping into the false dichotomy between religious zeal and scientific rigor, but I hesitate to presume too much. For the purposes of this debate, I’m making a specifically scientific argument independent of religious belief.

Good Lord, we don’t need dissension over such a fundamental point.

If the fundamental point is incorrect, then we do need respectful dissension on it as soon as possible. P-Alpha is a superior model to P-Altruism, and will prove a more effective model in arriving at solutions to our problem.

Ed Edgerton

What is at the root of our dispossession? Here are a few contributing factors.

First is the idea that what was beneficial (or at least not too destructive) in the past is now harmful and destructive. I am talking about the merging of ethnic groups into larger groups. The quintessential example of this is the U.S., but it also happened in Europe. Suppressing ethnic rivalries helped when it was just whites. In most cases, there was a central founding ethnicity, and this ethnicity suppressed its own narrow self interests for the benefit of the larger ethnicity that was forming. This suppression of the interests of the core apparently continues far into the future and take on a life of its own, especially when psychologically dominant and cohesive groups like the Jews enter the picture.

Another possibility I would like to mention is that the Jews have been implementing a long-term strategy against us for more than just the past century or so. If you accept that Freemasonry has played a key role in past social changes, and you also accept that Freemasonry is controlled at the top by Jewish interests, then you see that this is also part of the puzzle. Since it is a secret society with progressive levels of secrecy proceeding up the levels of control, Freemasonry can be seen as a possible scheme for “laundering” Jewish control.

Matt Parrott

White Nationalism is as much a bastion of Freemasonry, paramasonic combinations, and the Masonic spirit as the rest of the West. More so, in fact, in its anachronistic and clumsy manner.

It’s a self-destructive movement from the top-down. Its fidelity to both decadence and greed, and its pathological aversion to the traditional and contemporary enemies of Freemasonry, guarantee that it’ll continue being defeated in both the Lesser Crusade in the temporal political realm and the Greater Crusade within the hearts and souls of its adherents.

Ed Edgerton

It is the secrecy of Freemasonry that concerns me primarily.

I don’t see much Freemasonry in the pro-white movement, except at Counter-Currents, which talks about a need for a pro-white “secret society” and gets into occultism.

I am not sure what you mean by Masonic spirit, but it is true that it supported Enlightenment ideals that helped to get us into our current predicament.

You know more about the pro-white movement than I do, but I don’t see much decadence or greed in it.

I don’t see the pathological aversion to the enemies of Freemasonry that you mentioned. I am not sure what you mean. I am guessing you mean traditionalist Christianity as an “enemy of Freemasonry.” There is a certain segment that has an aversion to Christianity. Personally, I am ambivalent about it. I read Joseph Atwill’s book Caesar’s Messiah recently. He thinks there is secrecy going to the heart of the Roman Catholic church. He says those at the top have known about its true non-supernatural origins all along and have kept this secret to “control the masses.” He also says that Jews like Josephus were involved in creating it.

Anne

White Saviourism is more like Swedism. The wonderful Swedes are so far gone they have given their ethnic name to a social pathology in its terminal stage.
The cause of this pathology comes from the Totally Jewed Virus (TJV). When the defenses of the host social organism are so depleted that it doesn’t even realise that it has a history, heritage, culture, ethnicity and above all else credo, faith and spiritual order (Church), then the secondary symptoms develop: pathological altruism, white saviourism, racial supremacism, liberalism, equilism, rape acceptance, cuck acceptance, holocaust guilt, white priviledge guilt, historical guilt (for Viking slave trading), national guilt for having an economically successful country and assorted dis-gender disorders and phobias on the Screwed Spectrum.
In the end there is a complete zombification of the host.
In response to African chimpouts at IKEA stores, Sweden has banned knives from IKEAs and brought in security to protect Blacks from the possibility of the [nonexistant] Swedish backlash.

tiberius9

Thanks for confronting the ridiculous usage of the terms “altruism”– and “pathological-altruism” which only compounds the error. I agree in part with others here in that the problem comes from conflating Celtic (RIb) tendencies (folkish-mirth-joie de vivre) with Nordic (R1a) being (collective-impassive-intelligence)–and developing a once size fits all White race theory.

Excellent discussion here.

Matt Parrott

Put simply, and speaking as certified R1b, I think the greatest chasm between the Old European and Aryan dispositions lies in the grossly inferior future time orientation of the Old European. We’re as intelligent as the Indo-European, and arguably more creative and even innovative, but we’re less inclined to plan ahead, mow our lawns, maintain our infrastructure, and set down the roots which make for strong communities and logistically sturdy power projection.

tiberius9

Yes and the interactions between the two types (perhaps Apollonian and Dionysian?) has generally worked wonders throughout the history of European civilization. Today though, I’m not sure we possess much of either.

Armoric

Hollywood actresses who adopt black babies are under heavy Jewish influence and want to be seen doing the right thing. I think they are crazy, but it doesn’t look like a hypocrite stratagem to improve their career or their social status.

“” Why is complete integration framed as the final solution to racial problems in the West rather than local and cultural autonomy? White Saviorism. “”

Racial integration is pushed by the Jews as a way to destroy the White race. People know they are not allowed to say they want equal but separate development. What they don’t know is that that is actually a Jewish interdiction.

The Jews use a number of methods to get what they want. They buy up the politicians and the media. They get their own people in the government and the administration. They use intimidation, defamation, censorship, etc.

They also manipulate our natural altruistic tendencies:

1. They manipulate the loony leftists (who are only a minority of the population). They encourage them to help the invaders and behave like cat ladies. They especially encourage leftist idiots who revel in moral outrage and like to be told by the Jews that some powerful White villains want to destroy the planet and enslave the non-Whites. Those idiots have dreams of altruistic/sadistic punishment.

2. They manipulate the politicians and civil servants. The politicians know the government is killing us, but they can still lie to themselves and claim the government’s program is based on altruism. Altruism is used by the Jews as a pretext to push anti-White policies, and it is used by their White collaborators as a pretext not to resign from their jobs. If the phony pretext of altruism wasn’t available in their minds, most politicians would refuse to take part in the genocide of their own people.

3. They also manipulate the rest of the population. If we were told outright that ZOG’s priority was to destroy all of us White goyim, some of us would get angry. But if the government claims to have altruistic intentions, we can use that as a phony pretext to do nothing.

Since altruism is really a part of our nature, it isn’t a 100% phony pretext. I think misguided, manipulated altruism plays a part in our lack of reaction. Many of us actually don’t like the idea of expelling our third-world neighbors after they’ve been around for some time. But the real reason we do nothing is the intimidation.

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